Comments on: Open Real-World-Geographic Change Notification http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201 Mikel Maron :: Building Digital Technology for Our Planet Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:44:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mapping Hacks » Blog Archive » Addressing the mess of addressing http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201/comment-page-1#comment-1364 Mapping Hacks » Blog Archive » Addressing the mess of addressing Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:18:20 +0000 http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201#comment-1364 [...] Mikel was recently wondering about the role of local authorities in syndicating updates of planning information, especially for new developments. The Local Government Association looks like a federation of local authorities and IDeA, a private company which it wholly owns and which lives in the .gov namespace, is responsible for maintaining the contract with Intelligent Addressing for the NLPG. Recall that Intelligent Addressing had a complaint against the OS upheld by the Office of Public Sector Information back in July; it judged that the OS had behaved anticompetitively, against the code of information practise that is intended to govern it, and its licensing policy was obfuscatory, and encouraged it to try harder in future in a kind of mild, diffident admonishment. (Michael Cross points out that the NLPG only covers 320 of 366 local authorities right now (and I wonder who the missing pieces are and why they’re missing)). [...] [...] Mikel was recently wondering about the role of local authorities in syndicating updates of planning information, especially for new developments. The Local Government Association looks like a federation of local authorities and IDeA, a private company which it wholly owns and which lives in the .gov namespace, is responsible for maintaining the contract with Intelligent Addressing for the NLPG. Recall that Intelligent Addressing had a complaint against the OS upheld by the Office of Public Sector Information back in July; it judged that the OS had behaved anticompetitively, against the code of information practise that is intended to govern it, and its licensing policy was obfuscatory, and encouraged it to try harder in future in a kind of mild, diffident admonishment. (Michael Cross points out that the NLPG only covers 320 of 366 local authorities right now (and I wonder who the missing pieces are and why they’re missing)). [...]

]]> By: mikel http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201/comment-page-1#comment-1354 mikel Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:04:59 +0000 http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201#comment-1354 Thanks for the links Jo, digging. OKF .. I'll be there! Thanks for the links Jo, digging. OKF .. I’ll be there!

]]> By: Jo Walsh http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201/comment-page-1#comment-1349 Jo Walsh Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:31:56 +0000 http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201#comment-1349 Right, when I was looking into finding and scraping planning metadata I ran across http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/ and has a search service at http://www.glenigan.com/planningportal/ Last i checked, this didn't cover all councils, but this was over a year ago. Meanwhile, Google-scraping I saw maybe half a dozen councils all exposing the same URLs, same backend but all had very different levels of structured metadata - and quite a few cases where the metadata hadn't kept up to date with the status written down in the PDFs (usually scans of physical documents) accompanying the application. So councils benefit a lot from an internal incentive to get the data / metadata right, otherwise what is in it for them if they are just complying with the requirements of a central service. It would be good to know more about what information systems local planning professionals are using, or would ideally be using... Also remember that in some particularly sensitive areas planning is being lifted out of the hands of local authorities; such as the Olympic Development Authority being handed planning authority for the Lea Valley area of East London. I have also read of plans for centralising / rushing very large developments ... er *somewhere* in http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/news/ Lots of people have done a bit of planning-scraping and there've been syndication ideas circulating, too. Chris Lightfoot's Cambridge planning site at http://planning.beasts.org/ was built with a donated license from the OS for the underlying map. Richard Pope is talking about his planning-scraping adventures at the upcoming Open Knowledge Forum on Civic Information on Nov 28th in London ... http://www.okfn.org/okforums/civicinfo2/ Right, when I was looking into finding and scraping planning metadata I ran across http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/ and has a search service at http://www.glenigan.com/planningportal/ Last i checked, this didn’t cover all councils, but this was over a year ago. Meanwhile, Google-scraping I saw maybe half a dozen councils all exposing the same URLs, same backend but all had very different levels of structured metadata – and quite a few cases where the metadata hadn’t kept up to date with the status written down in the PDFs (usually scans of physical documents) accompanying the application.

So councils benefit a lot from an internal incentive to get the data / metadata right, otherwise what is in it for them if they are just complying with the requirements of a central service. It would be good to know more about what information systems local planning professionals are using, or would ideally be using…

Also remember that in some particularly sensitive areas planning is being lifted out of the hands of local authorities; such as the Olympic Development Authority being handed planning authority for the Lea Valley area of East London. I have also read of plans for centralising / rushing very large developments … er *somewhere* in http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/news/

Lots of people have done a bit of planning-scraping and there’ve been syndication ideas circulating, too. Chris Lightfoot’s Cambridge planning site at http://planning.beasts.org/ was built with a donated license from the OS for the underlying map. Richard Pope is talking about his planning-scraping adventures at the upcoming Open Knowledge Forum on Civic Information on Nov 28th in London … http://www.okfn.org/okforums/civicinfo2/

]]> By: Tim Davies http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201/comment-page-1#comment-1341 Tim Davies Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:19:38 +0000 http://brainoff.com/weblog/2006/11/14/1201#comment-1341 Well, there is the LGA as a sort of federation or Local Authorities (http://www.lga.gov.uk/OurWorkProjects.asp?lsection=59) but as far as I know they have no major focus on geodata at present... Well, there is the LGA as a sort of federation or Local Authorities (http://www.lga.gov.uk/OurWorkProjects.asp?lsection=59) but as far as I know they have no major focus on geodata at present…

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